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We were just talking about 1987's Prince of Darkness.
Let's go back to 1987 because it was more exciting than 2025.
Oh my god, hang on. If we're going to do 1987's Prince of Darkness, I watched
also, to stick in 1987, I watched Monster Squad over the weekend, which
was also 87. Nice good one-two punch.
I got through half of 1982's Poltergeist,
but that's not the movie I want to talk about today. But Scott started
this off with talking about Prince of Darkness.
I think that's my least favorite of his three apocalypse movies.
I mean that's fair, but it's also very good. So this year was the first
year that Archer decided not to go trick-or-treating.
There was no pressure on him. He could if he wanted to, but he
said he'd rather stay home and we decided to watch a
genuinely scary, scary movie and he's been ramping up to it. He
did Alien and Aliens over the summer and
he's balked at a couple. We tried to do Resident Evil at Marissa's
suggestion and he was just like, absolutely not. I hate this.
Was it a particular moment that he turned on?
The laser tunnel and then it was the laser tunnel and then
immediately after that happens, they run into the first zombies
and they act like they don't know what zombies are.
He's like, stop what you're doing, get on the floor and shoot him in the
leg. And Arch was like, just shoot him
in the head. It's so stupid. He's a zombie.
He could not abide by the characters not acting like they knew
they were in a zombie movie. How did he like Prince of Darkness?
I feel there's no rules in Prince of Darkness.
There's nothing that knowledge of horror can prepare you
for anything that happens in Prince of Darkness.
He watched Start to Finish. He did not require any emotional pauses,
which is a thing he does every now and then if we're watching something
too intense. He, at 12 years old, very astutely
said out loud, vocalized that the scariest thing about this movie is the
music. And I was like, that's kick ass.
That is absolutely true. John Carpenter composed everything and the
whole movie, it's just ticking like a heartbeat all the way through it.
It's so tense. And then
he was just kind of mad. When the man turned to bugs.
Didn't phase him. I was like, even watching that again now as an adult.
I'm like, that's so gross. He does the weird like fake voice
attention. I don't like to often say that there's like a generational
thing to like make excuses for why a movie won't land. But like
anything that has Christian symbolism as part of the
I don't know that it's going to hit to like a non-theistically raised
audience. Yeah, exactly. Like I feel no one's fainting at the exorcist in
2025. Yeah. Well, this is the thing that I
really liked about it that I've never really
paid attention to. It's not actually
Christian and that's kind of the whole point.
It's a Christian layering on top of something like the thing.
Like it could be ancient evil or alien or
otherworldly. Like it's all of that shit is Cthulhu-y
stuff. And then there's just sort of like a Christian facade
on top of Prince of Darkness. Well, it's this evil reliquary
that a priest has been watching his entire life
as a mantle that's been taken generations. And it's given to the
last priest who's immediately is like
that's spinning green slime in a jar. I'm going to call the
university and have every single specialist come here and take a look at
it. He gets a theoretical physicist. He
gets a practical physicist. He gets a radiologist, a biochemist, a
biologist. He brings them all in. He brings a
theologist in to come and translate some of the writings.
Not for the theology reason, but just because she's a
whip crack at understanding Catholic writing.
So they can delve into like what the past is on this
artifact that isn't like about Jesus. Yeah, it's just an artifact that happens
to be in the like possession of the church.
Yeah, it doesn't necessarily. I don't remember this at all. Yeah, it's been a while.
I think the last time we watched it, I think as a gang, was
at your old place. And I can guarantee you, you were
not sober. Yeah, that was back when your place near
nearly no grew. And like probably one or two o'clock in the morning. Did we
again, probably one or two o'clock in the morning, maybe even after like an evening
out. Yeah, it kind of delivers on smart
characters doing smart things. Because there's a few of them in this
in the church who are straight up are like, this sucks. I'm leaving.
Like, I hate everything about this. I don't know what we're doing here.
I'm scared shitless. And they leave or try to leave the premises.
Great. It's also very carpenter esque and that it's
a very diverse cast in that the professor of theoretical physics is an
old Asian dude. There's a young Asian dude is kind of
a dickhead. There's a black guy who comes in as
the biochemist, like just three women and and they easily
pass the Bechdel test because they're not talking about dudes all
the time.
Talking about artifacts like they are dudes.
I mean, yeah, but it's also got green slime that floats up to the ceiling
and shoots in your mouth, like a water gun.
I like the way through and and but was he like that was scary or
that was hokey? Because I'm always I always feel that like
that one's definitely the whole cast of the three.
Yeah, but like like currently like me aged Keith, like I have such a
So many of them are quite quite obviously practical effects,
you know, like you're just sort of like, yep, that doesn't that doesn't
make a lick of sense.
People give a lot of leeway to the thing, you know, it's great.
But, you know, like, I mean, I'm watching the like, I think
Scott and I are watching Alien Earth.
I think I'm I don't know how far you and you're finished.
Okay, so you're you're way past it.
But like, yeah, Xenomorph has genuinely not looked as good
in any anything as he does in Alien Earth.
Like, it's probably the best Xenomorph, like they they don't go
all in showing it the way that they've messed it up in Romulus
and whatever else like where you're showing it too much.
So they like they kind of light it, at least not what I've seen.
They light it like they're shooting the first alien, but
they're polishing it with a lot of like modern stuff.
So there's a lot of like close ups on the mouth and whatever
else. And like I feel and from what I've read on stuff,
like there were a lot of like there were actual Xenomorph puppets
and stuff intermixed with the two.
They didn't just go one way or the other.
And it looks fucking really good.
And I was like, yeah, whereas you watch original alien,
you're like, it's there's some shots where you're like,
yeah, it's a dude in a suit.
Yeah, I think you could probably write a whole book
and every every like 20 pages is a movie that
tried to do special effects.
The director or whoever someone on the set realized
it'll look terrible if we show a lot of it.
So they showed a little bit of it.
And then the movie was amazing because it undersold
the effects like Jaws.
Jaws is legendary for that, right?
Yeah, it wanted to show way, way, way more.
And the movie was a million times better because it was
it was understated.
Yep. Well, I think.
Whereas Prince of Darkness shows a lot, though.
No, it doesn't.
It doesn't get a little.
No, it really doesn't.
Again, having watched it.
We just talked about green goo floating up and squirting
in people's mouths.
There's green goo that floats up to the ceiling.
And it's quite obviously the camera turned upside down.
And there's nothing you can do about that.
Why?
It just is what it is.
But the rest of the makeup effects are really minor.
Like the characters kind of get dark circles under their
eyes when they're possessed.
There's not like something egregious that's awful.
You're just like, oh, OK, there.
And then at the end, one character gets fully
possessed by the evil and their skin starts to like
melt off.
And Archer thought that was the grossest part of the
movie.
And it's not hard to do in a practical effect because
it's just a bunch of gross makeup.
Lots of lots of wet open source.
So like CGI wasn't really going to help with that.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, the aside from the fact that the green
group drips upwards and that I don't like maybe
maybe CG would help with that effect.
Yeah.
But everything else is practical is kind of the
point because it's just it's just tension.
It's just awkward tension.
The big flaw that that movie has is one or two
times too many.
The group of people run around going, where's
this guy?
Where's Susan?
Have you seen her?
And then they run around the church a bunch.
That's not really that tense.
It kind of becomes a weird game of hide and seek
at a couple of points for a couple of minutes.
But, you know, it's still John Carpenter.
It's still well done.
It's creepy and it sounds good and leaves you
feeling uneasy the whole way through it.
Can you really quick rank the three apocalypse
movies?
And then did this change your opinion of
Mouth of Men or of Prince of Darkness?
It did change my opinion of Prince of Darkness.
It's better than I thought it was.
It doesn't push its way up into first.
It's a second.
It's still third.
Okay, you think that's never going to mouth Prince?
Yeah.
But I think it does push itself up a little
closer to like big trouble.
You know, it's definitely above like vampires.
Like a lot of John Carpenter stuff is not
great.
And it's I feel like it does exactly what
it's set out to do.
And it feels a little bit like an auteur
horror film.
So good stuff.
Outer horror films.
Have you guys watched Barbarian yet?
No.
I got to kind of half of it.
And I will admit that I don't totally
remember it was like a it was a late
night.
But what I did watch was weapons.
I also watched weapons, but you know
that it's Zachary Kramer who does it,
right?
Yes, I do.
And you know, Zachary Kramer is he was
buddies with Trevor Moore.
I mean, not just buddies.
He was one of the whitest kids, you
know, of course, I have a lot to say
about weapons.
I'm excited to talk about.
Yeah, I know.
Yeah, I do.
Do you want to do Barbarian?
I mean, I watched weapons.
I was just I just feel that you
cannot I can't talk about weapons
without comparing it to Barbarian
because it's just like you're just
going to hold it up against his
previous film.
And you're also kind of like both
movies don't do the same trick,
but they're both kind of like I
need to figure out what's happening
here.
And it's going to be more messed up
than whatever the normal
explanation would be.
So like I said, if you didn't watch
Barbarians, I'll try to avoid
not Barbarians, Barbarian.
Watch it.
But it does it doesn't.
It follows a similar path of your
like, I mean, weapons, weapons
opens up with basically the
poster, which is at 2 17 a.m.
17 children from Mrs.
What's her name's classroom
went missing.
Only one student showed up to
school the next day.
So like it sets up that
immediately 17 kids are missing,
vanished while they're doing
a little voiceover.
They all get up at 2 17
and just like sprint out
the front door on a straight line
and the entire neighborhood is like
what just happened?
So they've been in this small town
in a tiny town.
Huge.
They slap you in the face
a lot faster with the mystery,
whereas like Barbarian,
Barbarian is the again,
I don't want to spoil
too much for Barbarian John
because you really, really
should watch it.
But like one of the great parts
about Barbarian is the first
like act of the movie is like
its own little movie into itself
where you're like, I think it's
going to be like a weird
home invasion thing.
They also all of the like
promotional.
I remember up to the point
where Justin Long shows up.
Yeah, exactly.
That's that's that's like
the kickoff of Act two.
But you're like with that whole
entire scene, all of the
promotional material,
all of the trailers only
ever showed footage
from the first act.
So you're like, it's just
going to be a spooky dude
who like it's a is the guy
psycho is the girl psycho?
Is there another psycho?
And you're like, you're trying
to figure out the mystery is.
And then like that first
act twist happens
and you're like, what the shit
am I watching?
And you're like, it's only been
30 minutes of the movie.
What is going on?
Yeah.
What is happening?
So so weapons jumps between
I think six characters,
each one gets their own little
like mini movie almost.
And then he does such
a good job, he being Zachary,
it does such a good job
of twisting your your like
analysis of the character.
Like you totally change your your
how well you relate to them
or how well you judge them
or whatever from scene to scene.
It's so well done.
And he holds back
what is going on for way longer
than I think another movie
would do here.
Like, is it an hour in
you finally see the monster show up?
And even when the monster shows up,
you're like, is he really doing this?
Like, are we doing a witch movie?
That's what's happening here.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
That's it.
You're sort of you're
sort of putting it together.
And also like weird,
I would say like strange
for horror movies
is like character growth.
Mm hmm.
The characters are splendid.
Like like all of the all of the guy
is so funny.
The cop you're so on his side
and then you're so not.
Yeah, exactly.
All of the characters.
Yeah, so it's basically Scott.
So it's the the teacher
played by Julia Garner.
The cop played by
what do you call it?
Obadiah's Obadiah's Jones
son solo in heart and yeah
or yeah or solo.
The guy from Ironheart.
Then Josh Brolin
who is watching with Evan Eric
and I was like, yeah,
like from the Goonies
and she was like Josh Brolin
was in the Goonies
and I was like, oh God.
And then when Josh Brolin
had his like his moments of heroics,
I was like, Goonies never say die.
And he's like fighting.
Neither does old boy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Also, yeah, no, I again
without trying to like spoil weapons
a bunch.
The I don't I like I said
doesn't twist as hard as Barbarian,
which feels a bit of a let down.
It is a witch,
which I mean, I think has been
been out for a couple months now.
Like they've sort of like the
like the early posters
were like just the kids
with their hands out like
also the kids doing Naruto running
took me out of it a little bit.
I'm like it's we know
that looks like Naruto running.
I know you're trying to do it
to look like sort of weird
and unnatural.
I didn't see it in the room.
I never watched it again.
You haven't watched Bluey, but
or or seen enough kids.
If you watch kids put their arms
out on either side
and run forward, Scott,
what are they doing?
Naruto running hard.
Archer did it for a good year.
Uh huh.
It's it's a it's a thing
that children who watch Naruto do
or and or even children
who know children who watch Naruto.
Like I've seen playgrounds,
but hold on the Naruto running.
The arms are like way farther back.
I think with this
there's a little bit of arms out.
It's like running to embrace almost in that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it looks quite a bit
like Naruto running is my point.
Having I have
Children's Park across the street for me.
And I like especially
when Naruto was like Max.
I saw kids running around doing that.
And I was like, I know you.
I know you did not intend it
to look like Naruto running,
but as anyone who's ever seen
a kid doing Naruto running,
it looks too much
like Naruto running.
All right, it's a teeny.
It's it's a it's a teeny little.
It's a it's just like
it's one of those things
where I was like you're trying.
You're trying to unsettle me
and I'm having a weird like.
Uh what's the word?
Like not dysmorphia.
Taken out of.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, uh, listen,
the thing that will take you
out of the horror of the film
is that the book ends of the movie
are very horror film, right?
But then some of the vignettes
are not horror whatsoever.
There's like a very strong
comedy through line to it.
There's like a drama almost
a bit of the relationship
between the cop and the
and the teacher and of her
returning to her alcoholism
and of the the druggie
who's like almost slapstick
and and he uncovers
like a big part of the plot.
You know, there's like half
of a horror movie here,
but then there's half of like
an actual like a like a drama
a Roshamon drama kind of going on,
you know, which which like I said
is also like there's a lot
of that in barbarian too.
Like I said, I'm I'm I'm all here
for whatever that Craig is up to.
Like when Justin Long's
character in barbarian,
like finds the like the murder
tunnels under his house
where he's like, does this
count for the square footage?
And he starts like measuring
like the torture chambers
to see if like his
his property has more value.
There are these weird like
this is just comedy now,
like just for for a couple moments.
And then you're like, OK,
we're going to spin it around
and and bring it back to horror.
So which I again appreciate.
I feel like I feel you can
if you can navigate those
alternating between those tones,
which you can.
And yeah, like I said,
I think I thought it was good.
I don't necessarily know
if I buy like again,
just like the witchcraft
of it all, like the cops
not putting together.
They're like going
to check the kids house.
Yeah, how long it takes people
to go to the kids house?
Just like, OK, come on.
Somebody was going to go
and they go to the house one time.
Yeah, and there's a creepy lady
who is who is a brand
new to town and whatever else.
Like it's just sort of like
the fact that the citizens
put it together and the cops
absolutely don't.
And I was like, again, a lot of
a lot of suspension and disbelief to
to make it go around,
which I was like, man,
I read a lot of reviews
that were saying, you know,
what's his what is his meaning?
What is he implying?
All this all this like different
like witches are spooky
in the analysis.
I actually kind of got
the feeling that he was like,
what kind of monster
have we not had a movie about
in like 20 years like witches?
You think you could make
a scary witch?
I guess what does a witch
even fucking do?
She cast spells on you
or something and she does
weird, weird magic.
I mean, it's a Hansel
and Gretel deal basically.
OK, we'll do that.
We'll have her cast spells.
How scary could it be
for somebody to be able
to tell you to do something
and you have to do it
no matter what, right?
OK, that that has that has legs.
That angle.
Purple man,
the scariest Marvel villain.
Oh, yeah, dude.
Like there is there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's it.
He has a what do you call it?
Like persuasion.
Yeah.
So there's a couple of moments
particularly involving
the little kid man.
That poor little kid
had such a rough go in this movie.
Just emotionally.
He's not like tortured
that much physically,
but emotionally
seeing his parents
stabbing themselves.
Yeah, like she like,
she like cast her little spell
and then the parents
just start stabbing themselves
relentlessly in their face
with the fork while the kid's
just like what he's watching
that happen.
And then the witch looks at him
and goes, you're not going
to run away.
You're going to do everything
I tell you to
because your parents can't stop me
and I can make them do worse
than this to themselves
while they're sitting there
stabbing themselves in the face
with a fork off on the side.
Spectacular.
He did.
He did make like an intimidating
like a witch made a spooky witch.
He made a spooky witch.
That's it.
Like references to Trevor.
Did you catch any
if you have any references
to Trevor?
I feel I did not deep dive
the whitest kids.
You know, I watched them
like on a passing.
I know you will listen to
the podcasts and their videos
and their chats
and all that stuff.
So I'm sure I didn't really
listen to their podcast,
but I did love their videos
and I researched the film
enough to catch a couple.
OK, one of them was
the seven hot dogs,
which there's like the couple
there.
The guy's preparing his dinner
and he just walks out
with seven hot dogs.
Yeah, him and the couple,
him and his boyfriend
how many hot dogs is too many?
Seven is probably too many.
Six is too many.
There's that.
And then six is too many.
We did this on on someone's birthday.
It's six hot dogs for power.
Nobody in not a single one
of the articles that I read
about is nowhere.
So this might be a nine.
Yes.
Oh, a scoop.
Oh, gee, scoop.
OK, 217.
That's the time of day
Trevor Moore died.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, interesting.
Nice one.
The AK in the in the sky
that a lot of people
talked a lot about.
I found a variety article
where they were interviewing
Mr. Craig.
And he said,
I don't really know
why that's there.
It just makes me happy that it is.
So I think he just threw
that shit in there.
And all he was trying to do
was make a spooky witch movie.
And he really liked
the like pulp fiction style
back and forth first person
time jumping, whatever.
You put it all together.
This is like a brilliant,
brilliant little film.
I think it falls a little short
from Barbarian.
I think it's not
certainly not a miss
by any stretch,
but I was like the the the
it felt like a little
little bit of a sophomore
second album
compared to Barbarian to me.
And like, yeah, yeah.
You'll go watch Barbarian, bro.
Yeah, I can get on that.
And like I said,
without saying
that Weapons was bad
by any stretch.
Do we want to rank weapons
to a side?
Sure.
Hey, I updated
most of the movies
that I could find,
all of the ones that I could find
from our email chain.
Nice.
I still feel like there's
some that are missing.
And yeah,
and we still desperately
need to go back and
have a show where we fix it up.
I think it's well below Get Out
since I think Get Out
had something to say.
I mean, it did, but
where are we? 26?
Oh, yeah.
OK. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Apparently, Jordan Peele
fired two.
He had two agents
who were in a bidding war
for this film.
They didn't get it
and he fired them on the spot.
That's funny.
Yeah, that's like the
I don't know.
I don't know if they
if they fired him,
but I feel that they
must have fired him
like Kumail Nanjiani
had to have fired his agent
after Prismo.
He was like, man, like,
oh, yeah, in the late
in the Fiona and cakes
after like, yeah, just
it's super weird
that like Kumail Nanjiani
doesn't voice Prismo.
And he was like,
what? They never asked me.
And then like
what do you call it?
Cartoon.
Yeah, yeah.
They were just sort of like
they were like, yeah,
we contacted your people.
And they just like
never got back to us.
And he was like,
I need to have a conversation
with my agent right now.
OK, so two movies
that are worth
thinking about here.
Number one is 57 It,
which I would be very sad
if this movie was below it.
And then number two
is number 50 Hot Rod.
I don't know
if this movie can go
above Hot Rod.
That's where I'm at.
Fair. I'm kind of looking.
That's oddly comparable
if you're taking a movie
made by an internet
famous comedy troupe.
Comedian comedy troupe guy.
Yeah, this is this is way
more of a serious movie.
Those had let me know.
What about somebody
is that much better than Mandi?
Is it that much better?
No, I don't know
if it is better than Mandi.
Probably not.
I think it is.
It is also probably a pretty
problematic.
It's really good.
The first one.
I mean, you were involved
in that as well.
You were involved in that ranking.
I know I know.
I was excited
and I was too excited.
Annihilation 61.
And Annihilation is real good too.
That is a really good movie.
I might put it just under Mandi
if you if you're objecting.
Those movies up there
are pretty good.
Funeral Kings was
spectacular as well.
And that's what I'm saying
is I was like,
or maybe do you hold off
on waiting weapons
until you watch Barbarian?
Maybe I do.
Because I was going to say
if you enjoyed weapons,
I really think you really need
to watch Barbarian.
Because it's like
it's tempering my enjoyment
of weapons.
One of the reviews that I read
said the switcheroo
was exactly as you're saying.
It was a little blunted
because that thing
had been done already
in Barbarian.
Yeah, do you want to hold off
and watch Barbarian?
Sure, sure.
Scott, you should check out weapons, man.
I don't know.
I don't think Scott can do it.
What are you talking about?
Scott doesn't like horror movies with kids.
A spooky witch.
I don't like horror movies with kids.
Yeah, the kid gets it.
But he never gets it physically.
He's just like tortured
and forced to be
the witch's accomplice
in the most sad manner.
I feel so bad for that little kid.
I felt so bad.
John, this is how you
unsell me from the movie.
I don't have to finish this thought.
But after watching it,
I was like,
I want to watch another movie.
And I put on Poltergeist
and I realized it was like
another movie focused on
a classic horror monster
that you never see anymore
that is revolving around
and it was very well received.
It felt like such clumsy
bullshit compared to weapons.
It was just throwing
spooky shit through here
like at the screen.
All these silly kind of gags.
Man, it felt so clumsy.
I mean, I think if you're looking
at like the Jordan Peele's
and Zack Greger's
and even your,
what do you call it?
Ari Aster's and whatever.
It's like you're getting
these like OTER filmmakers
who grew up studying horror.
Watching a ton of it,
getting really, really into it.
And they've like,
It's mature.
They're not just throwing shit
at the wall and seeing what sticks.
They're like,
they have like a laser focus on it.
It's a weird comparison.
But it's like,
it's one of those things
where you're like,
oh yeah, pro wrestling now
is so much better than it was
in the 80s and 90s
because the wrestlers
have grown up watching wrestling
and they like,
they know how to make something
a little more serious
or a little more schlocky
or a little more whatever.
Like it's not as nostalgic and cool,
but you're like,
yeah, like these guys can.
I'm not, I'm not arguing
your, it's so much better now.
I believe that's true.
But all of those wrestlers
in the 80s
were second generation wrestlers
like Bret Hart and Kurt Hennig
and Vince McMahon.
And I mean, a lot of them were,
but a lot of them weren't
like your ultimate warriors
and your Hulk Hogan's
and a lot of those guys
were doing it for the first time
understanding what works
in a deep south sportatorium
versus understanding
what works on television
and how week over week
storytelling works
and all that stuff.
A lot of that shit
was getting figured out on the fly.
And now, like I said,
most of these,
as opposed to
unless your dad was a wrestler,
which was the way to be like,
know how to be a wrestler
back in the day.
All these wrestlers
have grown up watching wrestling
and are way more interested
in doing more interesting shit.
So it's like how you get.
We started this off
talking about John Carpenter.
John Carpenter's movies
feel like that.
They just maybe don't have
the benefit of modern
filmmaking techniques
or of the kind of,
the like meta twisting
like the back and forth
time jumps or whatever
that you can do now that he never did.
Super fun.
I don't have a tremendous amount
to say about another horror movie
that I saw.
We'll talk about a couple other ones,
but I watched the Wolfman movie
also with Julia Garner.
Yeah, was it good?
I mean, it was a Wolfman movie
like I don't
and like I don't have anything
like bad to say about it.
It does have the question
of you're just sort of like
do they know what Wolfman is
in the movie?
And you're kind of trying to
like figure that out
as to be like he's sick
or is he going
or does he becoming Wolfman?
It does some really fun things.
It goes into his like
his Wolfman senses
as he dehumanizes.
Like at one point
they're like hiding in the dark
and it goes like
like the camera kind of like
pans around Wolfman
and you just see them
like completely bright as day
with like glowing eyes
as though they're like
under a freaking spotlight
even though they're just like
hiding in the dark.
There's like a scene where
as he's kind of transforming
he hears like this like
loud scraping and scratching
in a in a closet
and he like swings the closet open
expecting like something
like nefarious inside.
But it's just like
a spider crawling up the wall
and it's his like Wolfman hearing
that is like causing him to freak out
like you see like
as the little spider
crawls up the wall.
Like they're having some fun with it.
It's like basically
a guy who lives in
the Pacific Northwest
moves to the city
marries Julia Garner
has a kid.
His dad dies
and like says
like leaves him in the cabin
goes up to the cabin
on their way to the cabin
they get attacked by a Wolfman.
He gets scratched by Wolfman
and then it's him and his family
as he transforms into Wolfman
and other Wolfman hunts them.
So it's like four people
in the whole movie.
Like so I kind of like that
and like they keep it really
really trimmed down.
Wolfman doesn't regenerate too much.
I think it was a lot better
than the Mummy movie with
what's his name Tom Cruise.
Yeah because this is
technically a universal monster.
Is it really?
Flick yeah yeah yeah
it's like it's the universal
monster Wolfman.
Speaking of universal monsters
you said you watched Monster Squad.
I did and we'll talk about it.
But yeah to tie everything together Scott
we watched Wolfman
Eric and Ev were up at the
up at the cabin
and Eric said
Wolfman's got no nards
and Ev was like
and then we were like Monster Squad
and that meant that the next movie
we were watching is
1987's Monster Squad.
I watched Monster Squad
a couple years ago.
And I was all excited
because I was like
it's like Goonies
but with monsters
and also homophobia.
A lot of homophobia.
Really?
Right also also
there's a fat kid
and then just call him
fat kid for the whole movie.
Like it's even his friends
you're like oh they're bullying him
and his friends will be better
and they're like oh fat kid
and it's like you're like why
why are they just relentlessly
even calling their friend.
Fat kid.
When the greaser though
when the greaser shows up
on his bicycle
and then like lights
a match on his shoe
and then like lights a cigarette
sparks a match on his shoe
then lights a cigarette
and then makes the older brother
from the wonder years
eat the candy bar
that he just stepped on.
I was like that's a great moment
in cinematic history.
But yeah a lot of people
are very afraid of being gay.
The phrase that I
they don't even
you can tell they're trying
to like dance around
like a g or pg rating
because I don't think
they ever drop an f-bomb.
They do say the term
he was totally homoing out
which I don't think
anyone has ever said ever.
And again you're like
it's it's going for goonies vibes
and they're just sort of like
why are they dancing around
all this homophobic stuff.
They could just been like
what a gross dude
or whatever like
without being like
what a goblin what a gremlin
like yeah something.
I don't know that I ever saw this.
Oh oh it's great pictures.
I don't think it's it's pretty good.
It's the it's it's
it's the goonies
versus the universal monsters like
and they form the monster squad.
Like you said the monster squad
I was thinking of Fred Savage
going into some kind of underground
that's little monsters
that's a little monster
that's what I was uh Harvey
Howie Mando
I was like Harvey Keitel
nope that's a different movie.
Fred Savage and Harvey Keitel
Harvey Keitel and little monster.
The 10th film by Quentin Tarantino.
Monsters oh my god.
Perfect uh yeah no monsters squad
like other other than the homophobia
it aged pretty well.
It did a pretty good job
about of like navigating
that that like like it's it's
there's absolutely monsters
the universal monsters
there's there's the dracula
there's the swamp thing
there's a frankenstein
uh there's a wolf man
there's a mummy
is that it was the five
it was the five
yeah uh a weird then
then like weird little bit of like
heart where they're like
there's a creepy um the creepy guy
down the street who they're all afraid of
in the spooky old house
uh turns out to be like
holocaust survivor
and then they kind of like befriend him
and he helps translate Van Helsing's diary
and they were sort of like man
who like who knew you know so much
about like monsters whatever
and he was like
I know too much about monsters
and like the camera pans
and shows the and shows the like
the concentration camp tattoos
and you're like well that's
like it got dark
weirdly heavy-handed
for a movie that's trying to be like
lighthearted and fun all over the place
for a movie that attacks Dracula
with a slice of pizza
and and again has wolfman
and got no nards that are like
like wolfman's coming at him
and they're just sort of like
kick him in the nose
yeah and he says wolfman's got no nards
and then kicks him
and then he goes
wolfman has nards
like comedy genius
you can't pay writers to write like that anymore
pressing a nice slice of garlicky pizza
into Dracula's face
and it's like and it sizzles like
like an iron pressed against his face
good stuff
creatures stole my twinkie
like he drops his twinkie in the swamp
and Swamp Thing grabs it
and then he runs away
and he's like Sean
Sean Sean
he's like what
creatures stole my twinkie
like pretty fun
it's a creature from the black lagoon
you keep saying Swamp Thing
I'm like yeah
Alan Moore's introspective
Alan Moore's Swamp Thing
yes uh unfortunately though
as Scott says
pretty much unwatchable
due to just like casual homophobia
like like for no reason
like there's no
there's that much of it
yeah there's it's it's a lot
like there's a lot of characters
don't want to be gay
and like whatever else
and it's just it's just enough
and it's in just so much
of their casual conversation
that you're like
this would suck to watch
when did Nightmare on Elm Street 2 come out
how does is there is there a link
post Elm Street 2
because Elm Street is 83
was 87
no it wasn't 83
it's got to be later than that
maybe 87
Nightmare on Elm Street is
or because it was
whatever the year
it was the year after
Nightmare on Elm Street
Elm Street 2
Nightmare on Elm Street 2 came out of
85
yeah so 84 85
yeah first one 84
and Elm Street 2 is 85
so yeah
I don't know
could be could have been a factor
maybe but I don't know
I just I just think that they were
like that's how kids talk
these days
it's just it makes you appreciate
the Goonies that much more
and Spielberg for like
just toning it back a little bit
like hey let's make this movie
forever instead of
just for right now
yeah well I mean
like I said you you gotta
you gotta overlook it
with Back to the Future
right like there's there's the one
little line that
like homophobia that that sneaks
into Back to the Future
is there
yeah where
yeah yeah yeah when
when he nearly
like makes out with his mom
he says that could really screw
a guy up
like I could turn out to be a
and you're like
like
yep that that
and and they just brush
right past it
and everyone's like whatever
they they made one little mistake
and we're not going to make it
franchise
and it's not it's not like a theme
they never really come back to it
but you're like
like when I was I
because I don't think Sarah had
one thing they cut it out
I think I watched it with Debbie
and I kind of feel like I would
have
I would have remembered that
I it was on my copy
yeah
because when Sarah and I were
watching it on the streaming
is it cut out
also I mean that's like again
again it's not a
I think I think it might
and it works fine
like that really could mess the guy
up
end of line
right there
yeah you don't need to
you don't need to keep that there
wow like yeah
because when it happens
Sarah and I were like whoa
yeah
and then it just like
it just gets washed under
washed under the table
oh did
was the other movie I watched
oh yeah and then I also watched
oddity
on shutter
man what a fun surprise
I knew nothing about it going in
and speaking of like
it was a witch
or like like just like kind of
like kind of like witchcraft
or Stephen Kingy
kind of stuff where you're like
so it starts out
the opening scene is
a woman calling her husband
they have just bought a castle
and I guess like
I don't know Ireland or like
rural England or whatever else
some somewhere where you're like
oh I found the one spot
in the old house that has
cell reception
and she's talking to her husband
and they bought this house
and they're going to restore it
and
but like right now
it's like you you establish
no cell phone signal
and she goes out to her car
she thinks she hears something
and then she comes out
comes back inside
and then there's like a guy
like bangs on her door
and it's a guy with a glass eye
kind of like
she's like slides of like
the old timey thing open
and he's like
you like you didn't see it
what's got
just going back into
back to the future
that's not in the final cut
so I have watched
like a director's cut of some sort
or an extra long cut
yeah what a smart move
to cut that line
because hot damn
it was not in the theatrical release
it was not in the dvds
and it's not on streaming so
it's not some special
what else is in there
maybe it was a special feature
that we watched
maybe it was on the deleted scenes
of the dvd
yeah every article says
they put that on the deleted scenes
why would they have acknowledged
that happening at all
yeah every article says
like boy oh boy
did Zemeckis make a wise choice
to leave that
on the cutting room floor
everyone knows about it
there's tons of articles
from from big big media websites
but none of them are saying
like it was clipped out
for Disney
it was in there
all all of them say
was uh did not make the final cut
so back to oddity
so it starts off
and this guy with the glass eye shows up
and he's like
when you went out to your car
a man went into your house
and the woman's like
what are you
what are you talking about
and then she's like
i'll go see with my husband
and he's like
it's established that her husband
is not there
and like works in a
in a psychiatric ward
and he was like
Dr. Timmons isn't home
he works nights
so like immediately acknowledges
that like
i i know
your husband isn't home
and also i'm a
you know immediate
like i know what he does
and i know that he works nights
and he's got like the crazy glass eye
is that not selling it too much though
of course it is
and then anyway
and then immediately
they're like the next scene
she's dead
and then this guy gets his
the guy with the glass eye
gets his brains bashed in
in the psychiatric ward
like or is found in his room
with his brains bashed in
in the psychiatric ward
enter the woman's twin sister
who is blind and psychic
dude like it
it sounds wacky
but holy shit
is it good and weird
and like so the guy's now
moved into the house
with his new girlfriend
she's just sort of like
her like she runs
it's called oddity
like she runs like an auditorium
kind of thing
like like all of these oddities
like an old like
the mystery
like a mystery shack
like a monster
place where you'd get a monkey's paw
and whatever else
and it's just sort of like
he gives her the glass eye
because he's like
i know you wanted it
and she's like yeah
and then she does her little like
psychic shit on the on the glass eye
we don't know what she sees
and the whole time
you're like
is she completely crazy
and like wrapped up in this
like supernatural
belief system
that like her her sister's death
has to be like
more complex than it seems
or are her suspicions
like found it
and it like it
like even as she's revealing
what she thinks happened
you're still like
i don't know if like
if if she's completely crazy
or if she's got it
like as she's
as the movie's doing the reveal
it still gains a couple of beats
before you're like
is she crazy or is it
right as you're trying to like
you're trying to sell
it does it really really well
like so yeah
like her whole her her mom
was also supposedly like
into witchcraft and all that stuff
and so she just like
she's like oh yeah
it's like an old timey like
gift or whatever
and it's just this big wooden golem
that's like folded up in a box
and then like
and it's just there
for like so much of the movie
just like sitting at the table
and stuff
and then like everyone's like
why and she's like
it's a bad omen to like
turn away a gift and stuff
you're like what are we looking at
yeah really really really really good
and like i said
that just makes me think of the time
that i was working at the video store
and the resident evil 2
no someone gave me
the resident evil 2
nemesis cardboard cutout
there was a seven foot tall zombie
and i'm like
did you take that home
i took that home
and it lived in the living room
for like six months
i had roommates
yeah it's it's it's like
and like i said
the the thing that it does super well
again when you talk about
like a small story
it's like i mean technically it's like
i was like there's three characters
no four characters
yeah five characters
and only four actors
because the the sister is the twin
right so like
she also does a really good job
of playing completely different women
like i did not know until
that they were like
it was her twin sister
i was like was it
and then in a flashback i see
it was like oh shit
that was the same actress
like it would not even have
tagged it as the same actress
they're so completely different
but to to thread the needle
so well that like even as
she's like explaining out the plot
on her sister's life
you're like still a part of you
is like she might be crazy
and you're and you're like
you're not sure
until like a couple beats
later in the film
we were like oh okay
like she is she's right
she figured it out
and i guess she does have powers
like you're like you're not sure
if there's anything
supernatural happening
or if she's just crazy
for like 80 of the 90 minutes
and it does it really really well
would have to compare
and contrast the witch
to weapons wish
i mean this like i said it
it held off on its twist
and and again
and it's not even a twist
it was just like if i can imagine
if you're like watching weapons
if you couldn't tell
if it was like supernatural
or something like it just like
it's that different of like
witchcraft you know
like you're like
and it's the same kind of shit
like she has like weird little
like rolled up little tubes
with hair like shoved in the back
of the head of the golem
but you're like is it anything
or is she just
or does she just believe it
everyone else is like this is crazy
and it sucks and it's spooky
like why do we have to put up
this you don't see like immediate
like snap the twig
and like instant action
it's a much funner
and not funner like
it's a more like nuanced play
on witchcraft
than the witch
where it's like this is full
on superpowers
like if she has a little bit of hair
or whatever she can
just completely control you
this is like subtle
like witchcraft in your life
and again you're not even sure
if you're watching witchcraft
for most of it
you're kind of like
is she just crazy
and she put these weird little
tubes of hair
and vials of blood
and these little compartments
inside a wooden golem
for like because she's crazy
and again like the compare
and contrast is like
he's like genuinely
like a doctor
and a psych ward
just to be like
you know you are crazy
like this is
I could get you a like
a counseling session
or whatever like
you think I'm crazy
you know like good shit
really good it's interesting
the ambiguity is not part of the movie
in weapons you know
once it's apparent
that you're dealing with
an actual fucking witch
like that's just it
now there's magic
and now it's really intense
but it mean it you know
feel like the meat of the movie
comes from the characters
not necessarily
yeah I mean like as soon as
the principal attacks them
at the gas station
you're like uh-oh
oh something is really wrong here
yeah you're like
this is so good
yeah you're like
I mean like you know it's
you know it's aliens
or witchcraft
or something or whatever
you're like it is
it is cut and dry
like whatever like
but I mean I guess you kind of
you see that at at 217
where like
just all the kids
just sprinting out and running
is you're like
but I guess they kind of
try to like be like
maybe it was a
like a group activity
or whatever like
all the kids kind of like
but you know
might like amp themselves up
to do something crazy together
kids are weird
amazing
anyway audity is a lot of fun
anything else any other
uh Halloween
spooky season spooks
I mean I could repeat the stuff
I was talking about
while you're disconnecting
I don't know if we're going to save that
but the uh
probably keep a bunch of it
I think I would keep a bunch
all right well I won't repeat myself then
you'll have to listen to that
to find out about the Halloween party I had
uh-huh alien earth
I watched just a little bit of it
oh I also watched Welcome to Derry
the first episode
I'm so mad about Welcome to Derry
I'm mad about it
because I wanted it to be about Derry
and not about it
yeah no it's about it
I know
well it has what's-his-face in it
the doctor from the outlook
the doctor
the dude
the other guy from the outlook hotel
Tim Curry
no he wasn't on
he was not the outlook hotel
Jack Nicholson
nope
the black guy
I'm just
black guy who also has the shining
the one who like explains the shining
I I saw
I saw the first trailer
Dan Hallerhan
is that the name of the character
Patches of Hoolahan
you saw the first trailer
she dodged it
I saw the first trailer
and I was kind of hoping
it was going to be
Eerie Indiana
but for all the Stephen King stuff
but they already did that show
really
yeah
was it Eerie Indiana
yep
like I wanted it to be like
Needful Things
and I wanted it to be
and I wanted it to be the stand
and I wanted the walking dude
coming through
and Castle Rock
the show I'm thinking of is
and it's that
it's got
go check out
so Castle Rock
is an American supernatural
horror television series
adapted from the fictional town
of Castle Rock, Maine
that came out in 2018
and it features like
references to
all of them
like it has like
oh like there was the dog attack
or whatever else like that
was Kujo
there was this
they referenced Derry all the time
there was the
the prison is like
the Green Mile prison
and all that stuff
it's like
it's
Stephen King verse the show
and it's called Castle Rock
the mythological scale
and intimate character storytelling
of King's best loved works
weaving an epic saga
of darkness and light
played out in the few square miles
of Maine woodland
so yeah
okay well that's what I'm gonna go check out
yeah I was gonna say
I was like
that wouldn't be welcome to Derry
because they did that
and it was Castle Rock
yeah we watched the first season of it
yeah like
27 years later on
his last day as warden
at the Shawshank State Penitentiary
and you know like
yeah it's all
it's all
okay does it deliver
the welcome to Derry
or Castle Rock
enough that we watched the first
first season
I'm not the biggest Stephen
Stephen King fan
so I didn't necessarily get
all the references
like every
after every episode I was like
show me the references
in the latest episode of Castle Rock
and it was like a gazillion that I missed
if you're a Stephen King fan
I'm sure it's ultra worth it
because like
it's coherent and watchable
yeah yeah the cast is also bonkers
like it's
it's coherent and watchable
even if you don't know all the references
you know so
like I guess that's a pretty big endorsement
that it's not
it's not just fan service
like there's always being like
oh big dog attack
and like whatever
like it's all there
to to to grab you
if you if you're a Kingonite
I don't know
but we watched it
I said we watched the first season
and then I think the second season
just didn't
didn't grab us the same way
but yeah
add Castle Rock to your watch list
but I knew
I knew Welcome to Derry
wasn't going to be that
because it already existed
so what was it?
well Welcome to Derry is the
when in the
film or the book
it how
it's every 30 years
it's the 30 years before it
it's like the last time Pennywise
came up and about in Derry
so this is
that's kind of screwed up
because of the sliding timeline
right yeah I know exactly
now now it's exactly
it's the it's
because the book was in the 80s
and it flashed back to the 50s
and the new movies
were now
but it flashed back to the 80s
so does it just know
but this 50s again
and you get Wolfman popcorn movies
yeah yeah yeah
that's it Welcome to Derry
takes place in the 50s
it's like that's pretty wild
is it also flashback
for the characters to the 20s then
I don't know
not yet
but I've only watched
like the first episode
there's only two episodes out
so cool yeah this
exactly that's it
it's back in the 50s
that's really wild
it's like they've somehow
aligned themselves back to
the book sort of
but yeah
just had to put that casual racism
back into the bad guys
I mean a little bit
like what's it
so yeah like the character
the black pilot
or whatever else like that
like is immediately confronted
with racism
and they're like yeah
white dudes were racist in the 50s
that was pretty normal
back in the day
but they're the bad guys
so you can have racist bad guys
but yeah
but then there's apparently
a bunch of other little Easter eggs
about the Stephen King of Earths
because like I've started looking up
the name of the guy
then Cass Rock
who has the Shining?
Shining guy
yeah Dick Halloran
Dick Halloran
I wasn't that bad
I said Dan Halloran
pretty good memory
yeah yeah
so he was the
the one who explains
the Shining to Danny
right so he was
did you watch the the film sequel
I heard it was really good
and I never never actually said
he's like a main character
which apparently also
so I was reading a thing
I haven't watched it yet
but I it's Mike Flanagan also
that uh because so apparently
like Stephen King has
doesn't like the Shining
right like as as an adaptation
and it's kind of
yes he said he liked
the movie version
with the guy from Wings better
yeah weird
yeah it is straight up madness
and like
I read like a pretty interesting
interview with him
about that
which was just talking about
how he's like
I don't think Kubrick understood
like how the characters
were being influenced
supernaturally
because he himself
was like a skeptic
and and was like
no it has to be
their like their own pathos
and whatever
that's like coming up
and it's like it's
the the real monsters
are themselves
and like whatever else
where he was like
it's it's real important
that they're under
a supernatural influence
and he's like
and Kubrick did not get that
and he also
and one of his complaints
is also pretty valid
where he was like
I didn't like that
they cast Jack Nicholson
because so close
to one floor over the cuckoo's nest
because everyone
was expecting the turn
he's like I wanted him
to be way more
of a regular dude
so that it's like more jarring
and I was like
yeah I mean like
I guess we know
like like it's it's impossible
I think for any of us
to watch the like
the shining
and not think of
here's Johnny
and like smashing through
the wall
and all that stuff
but he was like
it's so much crazier
if he's he's an everyman
and then he goes
you know completely
like a recovered alcoholic
or the edge of sanity
at the start of it
anyway or by mixing
the movie in the book
yeah correct
but he but again that that's
I mean remember Stephen King
was also a big alcoholic
and all that stuff
but he was still like
he was like
you didn't necessarily think
you don't want
you're rooting for him
to like sober up
and whatever else
and not necessarily
like expecting him to
to get like twisted
and he also thinks
that it doesn't
you know kind of washes away
some of the recovering
alcoholic thing
which was very important
to Stephen King
on a personal level
when he was writing
Jack at the time
so anyway
he's not picking his hair
but anyway
he said that
Mike Flanagan's Dr. Sleep
as an adaptation
was like
is both like truthful
to his book Dr. Sleep
and is like unifies
the film Shining
and his book Shining
where he was like
as as a piece of cinema
he's like
it is the missing piece
between my Shining
and Kubrick Shining
and I was like
that's pretty fucking
high praise right there
yeah like from the dude
that wrote the books
like saying that
like Mike Flanagan's
took my book
and adapted it
as an
faithful adaptation of my book
but then also
functioned as a sequel
to my book
and a sequel to Kubrick's
at the same time
and he was like
it kind of apparently
like softened him
to the Shining
of watching
like the Shining
and Dr. Sleep
and I was like wow
I was like hey Mike
think about how many times
that boy
has been disappointed
by Hollywood
or just like
you know the visual medium
of TV
over and over again
I mean the fact that he's
made several hundred
million dollars
yeah
I'm sure helps
get over it
and he also did have
a lot of creative say
in a lot of his projects
that not a lot of authors
get up to
and including the fact
he got to direct
one of his movies
when he had never
directed anything
yeah Maximal World
Overdrive
is a Stephen King joint
the best Stephen King movie there is
okay
and he gets
yeah he's
what like
all the TV series
he had a
he had a big hand in
so it's
golden years
and
sometimes they come back
and the stands
like he was
he was involved
with all of those
like once he got
so I got the list here
this is probably
more garbage time stuff
but here's
with Stephen King's
involvement
Creep Show
Cat's Eye
Silver Bullet
Maximum Overdrive
Creep Show 2
Pet Sematary
Thinner
A Good Marriage
Cell
and It Chapter 2
and that's not including
the TV stuff though
yeah
there's like 50
I'm not going to read them all out
but the other film adaptations
I mean that list
that was right there
was not very
not his peak films
I would have said
Pet Sematary
is one of the
one of the
the worst
but there are
some good movies in here
pretty
Silver Bullet
is terrifyingly bad
yeah
I've never seen
oh boy
if you want to watch
a really bad
werewolf movie
yeah
I was going to say
the wheelchair
big big year
for Stephen King adaptations
though 2025
where was the Monkey
the Long Walk
the Running Man
and the Welcome to Derry Show
Stephen King's
getting checks
I mean
a well-off individual
he works
I don't know if he delivers
but he works
yeah
he's always working man
he's the opposite of
George R.R. Martin
he's
it's true
he's like
I don't know what to do
I'll put it out
have you ever seen
his interview on Conan
where Conan asks him
like have you ever had an idea
that you just never finished
you never got
he's no
no he says yes
and it's so funny
he's like
I was stuck in an airport
my flight was delayed
and I had this great idea
for a book
in the Denver airport
a man and a woman
are waiting for their flight
and the woman walks in
she's like
I just got to go to the washroom
she walks into the washroom
and never comes out
he waits like half an hour
and nothing happens
so he goes to get like an agent
to go check on her
and she walks in
and never comes out
then he goes
and gets the security guards
the security guards
go into the bathroom
and never comes out
and all these like airport executives
and they go into the washroom
one after the other
disappear
and Conan's like
hanging on the edge of his seat
and he goes
and what happens
he's like
I don't know
I never finished it
I couldn't figure it out myself
I was like what
that's great
isn't that the Langoliers
kind of
Langoliers
they eat reality though
they eat all of it
I guess if there was a Langolier
in the toilet
they like started in the bathroom
Langoliers is a concept though
like what happens to the past
it's very cool
the final Stephen King story
was apparently
I forget what the screening
of which movie
but like Mark Hamill was at a screening
for some Stephen King movie
and I guess he had like
read the script
and heard the casting
but he was like
because he's playing the major
in the long walk
right or he plays the major
in the long walk
so Mark Hamill
gets into the movie theater
and apparently
Stephen King just like nods his head
and is like major
and Mark Hamill was like
I never felt like such a fanboy
in my entire life
and he was like
you know I'm the major
it was like before the casting
and stuff had announced
but apparently like
we had even run some of the casting
and stuff by
by King
be like
this is who we're thinking
this is who we're doing that
and like
he'd seen the adaptation
he was like
you're gonna love it
it's gonna be great
and I was like
because apparently
they had never really like had a
had like a chit chat prior to that
I guess I was like
which is kind of weird
I suppose
but I was like not super weird
was it the first time Hamill
was in any of King's
various adaptations
I think so
yeah that's it
like I guess
and they were there
unless he was in one of those
creep show things like
yeah maybe
but he was like
but apparently like
Hamill was like
after all these years
he's like Stephen King
was still one of those guys
who had me like
oh shit it's Stephen King
and I get it
I mean like he's gotta be
like is he the most famous author alive
yeah
I guess
he breaks generations
like I bet there are
there are like tween authors
or Harry Potter
you know that's like bigger
for the current generation
but then if you go back
you know there's two or three
who've probably been reading
King's works
yeah like I feel there's like
our like grandparents
might know Stephen King
and won't necessarily know
who J.K. Rowling is
even if they've heard of like Harry Potter
like and that's what I'm saying
is maybe not necessarily
the most famous works
but like most famous author
you know what I mean
like I'm sure that there's
authors who've sold more copies
than Stephen King has
and even then I'm sure
I don't even know
if you think of like
if you think of like some total
yeah quantity over
or like singular focus
yeah like he just
he just keeps working right
yeah how many books
as like I said like
how's that
50 plus
yeah exactly
J.K. Rowling has probably like
if you select any seven
Stephen King books
you probably don't touch Harry Potter
but if you look at all 50
Stephen King's against the seven
Harry Potter's
eh who knows man
I don't know
these are numbers
that we'll probably look
and look up
and talk about on Garbage Time
yeah I'm doing it right now
actually because
because I feel like 50
is a huge undersell
but I guess that might not actually
I'm going to try
and find the list
all right
we're going to probably talk
about Stephen King
on Garbage Time everybody
this was the nine to five entertainment
system
J.K. Rowling is so high up there
yeah dude
I mean it's nuts
for sure
more than more than double
Stephen King's total
yeah
of sales
of total sales
and King is behind
Dean Koontz
and James Patterson
yeah I don't think he's
again and how many of those
here's the thing though
right
Jackie Collins
65 novels
400 million copies sold
yeah but then
how many of them are movies
right like J.K. Rowling
only has eight movies
whereas you could
you can name
hold on
what about those
where the shitty things are
there was like
two terrible
of the Grindelwalds
and whatever
yeah that one
and then
and then they're redoing them now
right
so maybe
well yeah
there's going to be an HBO show
James Patterson's got a bunch of
Alex Cross movies
so
but I don't know
if you told me
who wrote Alex Cross
I wouldn't know
I wonder
I don't even know who that is
yeah
like I said
as an author though
as a public figure
I think he might be
the most famous author
you know he also hasn't become
a total dickhead
in his later years
I read his tweets
every now and again
he's still pretty
pretty together
you know
yeah exactly
he's pretty together
a little self-deprecating
kind of like
even acknowledges
sometimes like his old like
he's like
well that was a cocaine story
and like whatever else
I read on writing
even if you have
even if you're like
not that into Stephen King
you should read on writing
it's fucking fantastic
both about how he thinks
about putting together
words for fiction
and also for the autobiography
where he talks about
about alcoholism
and his life
it's fantastic
I also really
like Dance Macabre
yep
his essay on horror
top-notch
and he does it
he writes it like such a fanboy
and a fanboy
that's teaching a 100 level class
it's great
it's such a good easy fun read
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